Loops and samples

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That’s an interesting viewpoint, Artie, but I think you entirely misjudge the reason for the minor limitations imposed on the usage. Consider that the “untalented hack” composed and performed his loops, and if those loops were used as the basis for someone else’s work, or “inspired” it as you say, then that “hack” has collaborated in the composition and the performance of the musical material, and in fairness should be credited for his contribution, whether he provided it freely or not. Wouldn’t you want at least a little thank you and recognition if something you put work into helped someone else make a great record?

There’s also the issue that if multiple artists, especially those with corporate backing with dedicated legal departments, use these samples and loops in their works, there could arise great confusion and legal messes if one accuses another of stealing elements of the music. And there have been large, large lawsuits over much less in that industry…

So I don’t think it’s an issue of waiting for a handout as you say so much as it is simply a matter of maintaining in clear terms that his rights as owner of his intellectual property are observed, particularly by those who can most afford to abuse them. And if perhaps the situation does merit some compensation, say if a lot of his material was being used, why shouldn’t he have the right to leave that door open for himself?

And anyhow, you say you’d be mad if your samples and loops wound up being sold on someone else’s sample CDs, with no compensation coming your way; wouldn’t you have a gripe with someone who used a bunch of your samples and loops in a song that made them a lump of money? Not all music has to be “hit” popular songs to make money either–television, film and game scoring are pretty big economic avenues for composers and musicians, for example.

Just points to consider before you accuse someone of being some kind of greed mongering sample grinch for wanting to know what his work is being used in, that’s all.

The example with the sample CD is about, other people claiming they created those samples.
It’s not that hard to understand.

Again…

If I would make 100 loops, and put them on the net for everybody to use, for free…
I would not expect any financial profit from it.
Believe it or not.
If somebody makes a hit and money, based on one of my loops, good for him.
Cause I know, it’s a long way from a loop, to profitable recordings.

Nobody needs material from the sample Grinch, that has all kinds of Indian giver rules attached to it.
Those samples are worthless. W-O-R-T-H-L-E-S-S!

Making the samples really(!) free, is about giving the average user peace of mind when they put it in their material.
It is about those 1000 users who won’t have a hit.
It’s about telling those guys “I don’t have a lawyer waiting for you, just in case”.
It’s not even about the one genius, who comes up with great material.

My samples would be either completely free, or I would never put them out there.

There are a lot of freeware VSTi available (we all know them, they all sound terrible).
The guys who produce those freeware VSTi put a lot of more time into it, than somebody who records a few samples.
They don’t expect to see any money, if their instruments should be used on a commercial recording.

I’d like to put loops out there.
Without any delusional claims attached, so the average people can use them with peace of mind.
And why? Because I’m such a good person? No!
I would get a kick out of it, if people found my material useful. If they would ask “when is the next batch coming”?

Talking about the freeware VSTi that all sound terrible.
Wouldn’t it be easier if people took sample material, and released freeware sample players?
Make freeware VSTi ROMplers?
This way, the developers wouldn’t have to invent the synthesizer new, something that isn’t going to happen anyway.
And the final product should sound much better, hence be really useful.
With much less work, than a newly created VSTi.

It’s not a greedy everything for free culture that I’m defending here.

But the vague mentioning of discussing details, implies for me a blatant “and then some”.
From my experience with lawyers I know that wording is important, when the issue becomes important.
And a vague phrasing always leaves the other side with the short end of the stick.
A statement like “I would never”, or “I’m not waiting for a handout” is meaningless untill money comes into the issue and an actual reaction can be observed.

The license has to be detailed and unmistakably worded, for the samples, to deserve the label “Free”.
I don’t know why this got me all riled up, maybe because I’ve seen gypsy licenses like that too many times on the net.
Some poor sap might find the pot of gold using samples that were declared free, just to find himself having to defend his product.

I would never want to find loops of mine on a sampling CD, or collection like that. …maybe even those people slapping their copyright on my work.
That would be like asking for trouble.

But if a musician makes a song and money…
Good for him, more power to him. It was his creativity and his situation that made it possible.
It’s like seeing somebody on a game show winning a million dollars and saying “I could have done that”.
Ya well, duh. Could have, but I was never in that situation, so it’s absolutely meaningless.

This is a website for musicians. And some of them might actually have a situation where a monetary payment takes place. However big or small that might be.
If samples are not clearly licensed to be used even in commercial songs, without any follow-up compensation,
they are worthless. Hence it is a disservice for the community.
This is not mynextschoolproject.com or anotherboringslideshow.com where it doesn’t matter.

There are professional sampling CDs/DVDs, and some of them are really useful. Specially for Electronic, House, Techno, Rap…
There is so much material being produced, and all the remixes.
Amateurs, DJs, Professionals, they all can profit from those samples.
BTW, in electronic music, the latest of those sampling compilations can be an indicator where the trend is going.
They cost around 100$ a piece. Some might say that’s a lot.
But if the license states, that everything has been paid for, even when it comes to commercial songs, it can be a good deal.
Depending on how good the samples are.
If the license of those CD/DVD sampling compilations contain any vague shenanigans, they are dirt, don’t touch them.

These days aspiring musicians have to consider the legal part of their actions, maybe even more so, than in the past.
cause today there is MySpace Music and whatnot.
Creative products can be made public in no time.
And if the whole thing is not waterproof, they can find themselves in trouble. Even before they can profit from anything.

Talking about, giving away samples, and MySpace Music…
Electronic musicians can give away samples, and advertise their MySpace Music page. That would be a possibility.
Everybody who can think, knows that a MySpace page is like a phone number. If nobody knows it, you’re gonna be waiting a long time.
An idea.

About the Freeware VSTi.

I’ve tried so many of them, must have been at least 100, it’s easy, just throw the DLL on your system, and you’re ready to go. I’m sure i have not missed anything!
I liked the idea of giving musicians “all these possibilities”.
But almost all of them sound pathetic. No wait, they’re beyond pathetic.
They’re not in the same league as commercial VSTi. Commercial VSTi are like in another universe.
If I have to hear the same whiny, thin sound, from a freeware VSTi again….
And why do they all sound alike? Cause they’re all have been clicked together with kits like SynthMaker.
I have yet to hear a good filter (24db my a–).

If it’s not a professional company, giving away one of their older VSTi, you might as well forget it.
http://www.emu.com/promo/proteusvx/welcome.asp
Now that is something to recommend. Don’t settle for less.

If you’re a beginner you might lose interest, or think you have no talent.
Just because of some crap.
If something is worthless, it has no value, even if it’s free.

Commercial VSTi have a standard that the freeware stuff can’t even touch.
Native Instruments and Arturia to name a few.
And I’m not talking about those VSTi that are complicated like a science project.
Their remodeled Prophet 5 or FM Synthesizer… Those are real instruments.
If you’re looking for a complete set to make electronic music, check out D16 Group’s website. It’s all there.
Do you think your drum loops sound boring? Have them go through D16′s Devastor, and discover them again.
http://www.d16.pl/devastor
Or my fave when it comes to synthetic drum machines,
Sonic Charge’s µTonic. http://www.soniccharge.com/mtonic

All that stuff is so beyond freeware it’s crazy.

I’m always curious when it comes to sound and stuff.
So I will check out Elektrostudio’s “Big Bag of Free”.
Their GUI looks so nice…
But I can already hear the thin sound of horror.

Hey Ronnie, been a while. I’m just wondering why you’re letting Artie get to you, thought you’re being very level-headed imo. I’ve one thing for Artie – have *you* ever released anything as freeware? like you said, wording is important when it comes to these kind of things. I don’t know why you’re so vitriolic about Ronnie’s terms. If you want the samples and loops, download them. If not, go elsewhere. Bashing someone simply because you don’t agree with their way of doing things seems childish to my mind. Maybe i’m wrong. I’ve no desire to be offensive, but you are being offensive. Your tone doesn’t seem ‘advisey’, but demanding. Ronnie doesn’t have to look at the world through your glasses. Our different viewpoints make us unique, and this world a colorful place.
Ronnie, you don’t have to relicense your loops and samples simply because of Artie. If you do review the terms, please let it be because you felt it would make things better.
Artie, please consider how you might be making Ronnie and other people feel. Even if you do have a point, your way of putting it across wins you no friends. You do “catch more flies with honey than with vinegar”.
There, i’m done with my two cents.

I would say 99.99% of opinions stating that 99.99% of something is some descriptor of some subjective conclusion are rooted 100% in prejudice and ignorance, and aimed more at grabbing attention for the opiner than offering an insightful perspective on the subject to those the opinion is shared with…

Ah, I’m just being facetious; nothing wrong with having an opinion, no matter how exaggeratedly expressed. But it’s helpful to consider that sometimes a more diplomatic voice can help make the audience more receptive to one’s message.

As for crummy sounding free VSTi, my experience has been, though I admit rather limited, that beefier commercial synths only sound beefier because they have lots internal delay, chorus and reverb effects beefing up those patches. Even the cheesiest little freeware synth can sound pretty cool when you run it through some combination of an amp sim, delay, eq and verb and other such plugs. And look at the late Tim Conrardy’s legacy–uber talented sound designer who created all sorts of great presets in the commercial domain, but also contributed a lot of his efforts to a lot of those “lesser” freeware synths. It’s hard to imagine someone that talented wasting their time like that if those synths really were a “waste.” Which also makes me wonder, at least when talking about commercial synths, are you talking about the synth itself, or the presets. Would a commercial synth by as invaluable without the presets it ships with–I suppose to someone who has the patience and skill for the sound designing, then yes; but for someone who just relies on the presets, then probably no.

As for Vsti samplers/romplers, the quality and useability of the samples is just as subjective. Opinions vary. And a beginner who spends money on some commercial product might as easily lose interest, and then be out the money to boot, which is even less desirable a situation, especially if the company that made them doesn’t allow license transfers and all that. Besides, people spend hundreds of dollars on real guitars and pianos and other equipment and lose interest, so it’s not like monetary investment in it necessarily begets commitment to it. To me, pushing commercial products on a beginner just seems at best irresponsible and at worst elitist and dishonest. It’s like saying if little Jane wanted to learn to play guitar, she could learn from her uncle who plays in some mediocre cover band, but if she wanted to be a real musician she’d spend a hundred thousand dollars to get a top end guitar and to be trained in some European music academy by classical guitar masters, because otherwise she might have a crappy experience playing on her uncle’s old, beat up Ibanez acoustic and her uncle might be only capable of teaching her basic technique and that she might get frustrated and just give up. If Janey has real skill and real desire, it won’t matter what she uses, she’ll be a musician.

But really, why even waste time debating it… no one makes you use those free synths and samplers if you don’t want to, unless someone’s being a jerk and threatening to kill your family unless you use some ancient synthedit vsti in all your tracks, with all those old ugly gui graphics and clumsy knobs and multicore crashes… and ultra nasaly sawtooths. Wouldn’t you be better just directing that energy into your favorite payware, and just making the musics?

Thx for the sample´s im going to check them out rightnow..;)

Producer’s can never have enough drums, loops, and sounds so I just downloaded your entire sample archive….excellent work!

Good looking out bro.

This is worth. I’ll download it later on.

excellent work!! Godbless an succeass ! from Kenya

Yes I understand why people were praising. I’ll contact you if I use any of these commercially.

A very belated thank you for all the good information on the post about DAWs – I was in a wild-ass car accident and have been laid up for quite awhile but I’m home and anxious to get well enough to record again. Before that, I did download the demo of Fruity Loops but I was having trouble (not the product, I think, but my own inabilities). I’ll try again and thank you for the promo code!

@ Sample bashers:

I’m a skilled drummer, but by no means does that mean I don’t have respect for sampling! It’s just another trick in the bag. We all love Daft Punk, right? They sampled all the time. People have even picked out what songs they sampled from!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJPdVVOmbz4

Thanks for the loops if I sort a good track from the confusion of such abundance I will post you. Other than that you will find the end results on the Looperman website.
Didasteld.

Truely awesome what you guys do…really. im new to this music production and was gettin bored with my default samples….till i found this site. Stunning!!

thank you so much
brazil…djs

2 thoots dj… mexico thank you.

Thanks……………. Love ya’ll at Rekkered

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Wow! you guys have really made my day. God bless the website owner as well as all the contributors here.